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so mitt romney will cut the deficit by doing something that will add to the deficit. the other thing he brought up, pbs. the only specific that mitt romney gave in terms of how he will cut the deficit. the only detail he provided was that he would eliminate 1/100th of 1% of the budget. there have been lots of attempts to put the number in sper perspective. here's more. >> the federal share of the corporation for public broadcasting is about $450 million this year. that $450 million is about what the pentagon spends every six hours. >> six hours. to be clear, mr. romney and mr. ryan's idea for the deficit to save the country from fiscal disaster and pay for the stuff they want to do that's really expensive, their plan is to eliminate six hour's worth of defense spending. one-fourth of one day's worth of defense spending. at the same time, to make overall defense spending go like this. because, you know, they are the numbers guys. math. >>> i just find it troubling that the president's message -- the president's focus -- 28 days from election day is big bird. >> these a
so mitt romney will cut the deficit by doing something that will add to the deficit. the other thing he brought up, pbs. the only specific that mitt romney gave in terms of how he will cut the deficit. the only detail he provided was that he would eliminate 1/100th of 1% of the budget. there have been lots of attempts to put the number in sper perspective. here's more. >> the federal share of the corporation for public broadcasting is about $450 million this year. that $450 million is...
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for example, he said that obama doubled the deficit. he didn't. he brought the deficit down. he said that obama -- >> $5 trillion worth of deficits? >> first 1. 2, 5 trillion in th deficit disorder. >> the president said he would cut the deaf set in half. unfortunately he doubled it. trillion dollar deficits for the last four years. the president's put in place as much public debt, almost as much debt held by the public as all prior presidents combined. >> when i walked in the oval office, i had more than a trillion dollar deficit greeting me, and we know where it came from. two wars that were paid for on a credit card, two tax cuts that were not paid for, and a whole bunch of programs that were not paid and then a massive economic crisis. >> question. president obama's gambit has been to blame his predecessor bush for his $4 trillion deficit. why didn't that pay off, pat? >> frankly, president bush is an argument that obama has used which has been somewhat effective, that he inherited a very tough situation. >> he knew what he was inheriting. >> but he didn't mention bush's
for example, he said that obama doubled the deficit. he didn't. he brought the deficit down. he said that obama -- >> $5 trillion worth of deficits? >> first 1. 2, 5 trillion in th deficit disorder. >> the president said he would cut the deaf set in half. unfortunately he doubled it. trillion dollar deficits for the last four years. the president's put in place as much public debt, almost as much debt held by the public as all prior presidents combined. >> when i walked...
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you said you would cut the deficit in half. we have trillion-dollar deficits. cbo says we will have a trillion-dollar deficit each of the four years. you have said before, you would cut the deficit in half. i love this idea of $4 trillion in cuts and ways to reduce or get closer to a balanced budget, but we show trillion-dollar deficits every year that. doesn't get the job done. let me say, why is it that i don't want to raise taxes? why don't i want to raise taxes on people? and actually, you said it in 2010, you said, i am going to extend the tax policies i have. i am not going to raise taxes because when the economy's slow and we are in recession, you shouldn't raise taxes on anyone. the economy is still slow. as a matter of fact, it's growing more slowly now than when you made that statement. if you believe the same thing, you don't want to raise taxes on people. the reality is, it is not just donald trump you are taxing. it is all those businesses that employ one-quarter of the work fwherz america. these small businesses that are taxed as individuals. you
you said you would cut the deficit in half. we have trillion-dollar deficits. cbo says we will have a trillion-dollar deficit each of the four years. you have said before, you would cut the deficit in half. i love this idea of $4 trillion in cuts and ways to reduce or get closer to a balanced budget, but we show trillion-dollar deficits every year that. doesn't get the job done. let me say, why is it that i don't want to raise taxes? why don't i want to raise taxes on people? and actually, you...
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is protected it confirms that we've had trillion dollar deficits the last four years should we trust the cvo numbers now it's like they conveniently pick and choose there doesn't need to the job truth is they don't exist i agree with s.e. i mean politico optically this looks good politically for the president's below eight percent it kind of takes it disarms a republican to say forty four straight months of unemployment above eight percent but really the numbers still suck i mean you've got your six which is still about fourteen percent these are all the wage jobs but this isn't because of barack obama i mean this is going to be there and don't forget also you know you think that this just suddenly happen from poor years that we're in this collapsing economy that there's no jobs through there is on this panel right now it's disingenuous to say that these job numbers are so disasters of the over that the president cooked the books on these the job numbers are fairly clear but the thing is is that if you look at obama's mindset between two thousand and eight obama and two thousand and
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as you know, look, we face a growing deficit and debt problem in this country that mitt romney has vowed to fix. while he's not specific about the measures, that all changed at last week's presidential debate >> i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs. i'm going to stop other things. i like pbs. i love big bird. i actually like you too but i'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from china to pay for it >> jon: pack your tote bags and ride the high cultured train back to cancel town. you can take your invisible elephant friend with you, you eight-foot tall yellow feathered freak. who fires big bird? look, after the initial elation of getting a specific... settle down. after getting a specific from one of mr. romney's plans which felt very good came the realization that this move to cut sesame street might not do that much to address the $16 trillion debt. well, you couldn't be more wrong. >> the numbers are truly troubling >> it turns that our out of control spending includes roughly $450 million given every year to the corporation for public broadc
as you know, look, we face a growing deficit and debt problem in this country that mitt romney has vowed to fix. while he's not specific about the measures, that all changed at last week's presidential debate >> i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs. i'm going to stop other things. i like pbs. i love big bird. i actually like you too but i'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from china to pay for it >> jon: pack your tote bags and ride the...
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we ended up moving from surplus to deficits. and it all culminated in the worst financial crisis since the great depression. >> i suppose mr. romney thought the president wouldn't recognize the term trickle-down if he twisted it around. romney is proposing boilerplate trickle-down economics providing tax relief for businesses with the false hope that they won pocket that money but rather put it into new jobs. help the rich get richer and then they'll help everyone else. but hey, mr. romney's plan as stated in the debate may in fact sound right to you. but don't call it new. it's a been there, done that track record. lower taxes on the rich, simply don't lead to job growth. when you compare the top marginal income tax rate, the tax rate that top earners get taxed over the highest threshold with employment, growth happens when taxes are higher, not lower. let me show you a chart that the president could have used this week to simplify the whole debate. this is what the election boils down to right here. larry bartels' chart makes
we ended up moving from surplus to deficits. and it all culminated in the worst financial crisis since the great depression. >> i suppose mr. romney thought the president wouldn't recognize the term trickle-down if he twisted it around. romney is proposing boilerplate trickle-down economics providing tax relief for businesses with the false hope that they won pocket that money but rather put it into new jobs. help the rich get richer and then they'll help everyone else. but hey, mr....
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who knew he was driving our deficit? elmo is making a run for the border and oscar is hiding in a trash can. governor romney will let wall street run rampant but he will bring down the hammer on sesame street. that is not leadership. that is salesmanship. we cannot afford it,. we cannot afford to double down on top down economics. we cannot afford another round of tax cuts for the well. we cannot afford to roll back regulations on wall street banks or insurance company. we cannot afford to cut our investments in education or clean energy or research or technology. that's not a jobs plan. does not plan to grow the economy. that is not change. that is a relapse. we have been there and we have tried that. we are not going back, we are moving for. that's why i'm running for a second term as president of the united states. -- we are moving forward. [cheers and applause] we've got a different view about how to create jobs and prosperity in america. a strong economy does not trickled down from the top. it grows from a thriving
who knew he was driving our deficit? elmo is making a run for the border and oscar is hiding in a trash can. governor romney will let wall street run rampant but he will bring down the hammer on sesame street. that is not leadership. that is salesmanship. we cannot afford it,. we cannot afford to double down on top down economics. we cannot afford another round of tax cuts for the well. we cannot afford to roll back regulations on wall street banks or insurance company. we cannot afford to cut...
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deficits. they both have a little problem with details. but there is a big, i would strike a big contrast if i was mitt romney. i would put a working state on one side and a welfare state on the other side and i would say america would be much, much better if dollars were earned instead of dollars awarded. it is time to stop rewarding our friends and punishing our enemies and having the government treat every american the same, which is a foundational principal of the rule of law. and i think mitt romney has to do more of that. has he been specific with his plan? he laid five out in the debate, which is more than the president did. that's why independents thought mitt romney did very, very well. >> let me ask you about one of the issues where they differ, medicare. that is a big deal in florida romney says he supports vouchers for medicare, a plan that is not very popular. how does play in florida with all those seniors? >> right now in florida, you've got about 12 million registered voters. 36
deficits. they both have a little problem with details. but there is a big, i would strike a big contrast if i was mitt romney. i would put a working state on one side and a welfare state on the other side and i would say america would be much, much better if dollars were earned instead of dollars awarded. it is time to stop rewarding our friends and punishing our enemies and having the government treat every american the same, which is a foundational principal of the rule of law. and i think...
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. >> in terms of mitt romney surging, just remember how much of a deficit he had to make up. he was in some cases double digits behind the president in all those attributes. >> pull back the reins. >> the media is focusing on one poll. >> that's reaction to the recent batch of polling, including that devastating pew poll that showed a four point romney lead. now consider that pew took an earlier poll in september a couple weeks before the debate, it was the republicans going ballistic when it showed romney eight points down. watch. >> these polls are basically just part and parcel of the campaign for barack obama to help him stay in this game as long as possible. >> if you believe what the polls are saying right now, you've got to believe that there's something huge going on. >> i've said that all along, and i'm willing to say that publicly and stick by it, and i know that that poll, up 15 points, is absolutely invalid. >> people need to understand that the polling this year is the worst it's ever been. >> that is not a legitimate poll in 2012. >> both polls were skewed when
. >> in terms of mitt romney surging, just remember how much of a deficit he had to make up. he was in some cases double digits behind the president in all those attributes. >> pull back the reins. >> the media is focusing on one poll. >> that's reaction to the recent batch of polling, including that devastating pew poll that showed a four point romney lead. now consider that pew took an earlier poll in september a couple weeks before the debate, it was the republicans...
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it's true it's not going to have the deficit. that leaves one option. that's asking middle class families to foot the bill. >> the president's charge of a $5 trillion tax cut is inaccurate and wrong. meanwhile, the vice presidential debate is scheduled for tomorrow. >>> 2,000 jobs are up for graps today in the south gay. 50 employers were there this event is free and ones until 1:00 this afternoon. good morning. it was an idea that was first announced last mont if you ever wonder what goes on at twitter, you can this friday. you have to register first. you see on the screen in the white part there's the web address. shares in apple recovering after highs. down from a dollar when the iphone 5 first started selling. investors are concerned that apples isn't taking advantage of everything it could sell. but this morning recovering ever so slightly. we're also waiting for the mini ipad. >> he already has the regular one. >> as do you. good morning to you. woe do have very light showers and a little spotty activity over san francisco as well. here is what we
it's true it's not going to have the deficit. that leaves one option. that's asking middle class families to foot the bill. >> the president's charge of a $5 trillion tax cut is inaccurate and wrong. meanwhile, the vice presidential debate is scheduled for tomorrow. >>> 2,000 jobs are up for graps today in the south gay. 50 employers were there this event is free and ones until 1:00 this afternoon. good morning. it was an idea that was first announced last mont if you ever wonder...
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. >> obama's four deficits are the four largest in history. >> reporter: with the debate performance showing up in the polls, it's putting more importance on the next two debates to come and looking ahead to tonight, both president obama and mitt romney are campaigning in ohio this evening. the president in columbus across the state, mitt romney near youngstown, one in the state and he will be joined by new jersey governor chris christy. >>> you heard it there and that is probably one of the most quoted clips. >> mitt romney sharing his desire to cut funding for pbs and its beloved character, big bird, of course. the obama campaign is out with a new tv ad going out with the line. >> gluttons of greed and the even genius who towered over them. one man has the guts to speak his name. >> big bird, big third, big bird. >> it's me, big bird. >> big, yellow, a menace to our economy. mitt romney knows it's not wall street you have to worry about, it'ses is me street. >> i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs. >> reporter: mitt romney taking on the enemies no matter what is next. >> and theysh
. >> obama's four deficits are the four largest in history. >> reporter: with the debate performance showing up in the polls, it's putting more importance on the next two debates to come and looking ahead to tonight, both president obama and mitt romney are campaigning in ohio this evening. the president in columbus across the state, mitt romney near youngstown, one in the state and he will be joined by new jersey governor chris christy. >>> you heard it there and that is...
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our surplus, into a huge deficit. so, in paying the deficit down, you should score the fact that we are coming out of iraq and afghanistan. and, the other thing that the president has proposed and understands, is, that we cannot cut our way to prosperity. we need a balanced approach. and, growing our economy, by doing things like the senator does, like restructuring the auto industry, in order to put people back to work, and make manufacturing jobs grow, is one of the actions that we need to take, in order to do that. but, the fact of the matter is, the president because he has the responsibility of office, has been specific about what he proposes and mitt romney tells us, to trust him, with his plan, it is hiding behind door number 3, with carol merrill and his undisclosed tax returns. >> you know... really, the lines are great, but, chris, the bottom line is this: his budget, tax increase on i don't believe creators, budget gimmicks, and, brings us to $25 trillion in debt over ten years. in fact, this president has
our surplus, into a huge deficit. so, in paying the deficit down, you should score the fact that we are coming out of iraq and afghanistan. and, the other thing that the president has proposed and understands, is, that we cannot cut our way to prosperity. we need a balanced approach. and, growing our economy, by doing things like the senator does, like restructuring the auto industry, in order to put people back to work, and make manufacturing jobs grow, is one of the actions that we need to...
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there's no real difference, but maybe the republicans would be better for the deficit. maybe the republicans would spend less. check this out. this is what mitt romney is proposing for spending on the military. ta da! people say there's no real difference between the candidates? holy mackerel. when you're talking about the biggest pile of money in the whole world, the largest amount of discretionary money spent on anything by our government, boy howdy is there a difference here. but for a guy who wants to be thought of as cheap, as thrifty, for his campaign to be thought of as tough on spending, to be proposing that radical a spike in a pile of money that's already unimaginably enormous, to get us back to korean war levels of spending and then some, he must really have some big idea he's really committed to to justify that. to justify such a radical change in expense. he must, right? this must be something he he knows a lot about and cares a lot about. right? >> about our commitment to our military effort in terms of building a military that's prepared for the eventuali
there's no real difference, but maybe the republicans would be better for the deficit. maybe the republicans would spend less. check this out. this is what mitt romney is proposing for spending on the military. ta da! people say there's no real difference between the candidates? holy mackerel. when you're talking about the biggest pile of money in the whole world, the largest amount of discretionary money spent on anything by our government, boy howdy is there a difference here. but for a guy...
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-- new deficit neutral. no cost to the deficit and cutting $5 trillion mainly for the wealthy. let's watch. >> with regards to that tax cut, look, i'm not looking to cut massive taxes and to reduce the revenues going to the government. my number one principle is there will be no tax cut that adds to the deficit. i want to underline that. no tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> paul ryan just days before the debate last week directly contradicted romney. ryan said lowering the tax rates was more important than anything else, including getting rid of those deductions to pay for them supposedly. let's watch. >> what's most important to romney, would he scale back on the 20% tax cut for the wealthy? would he scale back and say, okay, we're going to have to raise taxes for the middle class? i guess the question is what's most important to him in his tax reform plan -- >> keeping tax rates down. by lowering tax rates, people keep more of the next dollar they earn. >> that's more important -- >> that's more importa
-- new deficit neutral. no cost to the deficit and cutting $5 trillion mainly for the wealthy. let's watch. >> with regards to that tax cut, look, i'm not looking to cut massive taxes and to reduce the revenues going to the government. my number one principle is there will be no tax cut that adds to the deficit. i want to underline that. no tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> paul ryan just days before the debate last week directly contradicted romney. ryan said lowering the tax...
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social security hasn't contributed one nickel to the deficit, can pay out benefits for the next 20 years. the president should be saying now what he said four years ago. he is not going to cut social security while romney and ryan certainly are. >> would you blame the president himself or his aides and advisers who were supposedly preparing him for this first debate? >> wolf, all of us in public life like to blame our staff when things go bad, but you know what, at the end of the day, it's the president, it's a united states senator, it's a congress person. we've got to take responsibility. the president should have got in there swinging, differentiating what a progressive policy position is as opposed to an extreme right wing one. put romney on the defensive. how dire you give tax breaks to the richest people in this country while we have the most unfair distribution of wealth and income. how dare you throw children off of medicaid when we've got 50 million people without any health insurance today. put him on the defensive instead of saying oh, i agree with you on this. i agree with yo
social security hasn't contributed one nickel to the deficit, can pay out benefits for the next 20 years. the president should be saying now what he said four years ago. he is not going to cut social security while romney and ryan certainly are. >> would you blame the president himself or his aides and advisers who were supposedly preparing him for this first debate? >> wolf, all of us in public life like to blame our staff when things go bad, but you know what, at the end of the...
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the word austerity anymore they use these euphemisms they say tough decisions they say reducing the deficit they say reducing the government sherif spending it's not fashionable to say the word austerity very uncomfortable with it so it's strategy not hugely coherent which is very important of cameron wants to regain this reputation is had in the past for huge compton's also did he address fears that the vulnerable will suffer most from the cuts and the economic strategy that he's proposing he tried but he's really the only one at this conference who did he delivered a classic conservative message she said smaller government talked about aspiration less about hard work but that's come against a backdrop of an announcement of a ten billion pound cut in the welfare budget which will affect primarily the young and the poor no talk of older people and we know in this country older people whatever their incomes are otherwise they all get a state pension they all get free travel they all get a winter fuel allowance that's not being addressed the twenty something he didn't mention which i have to
the word austerity anymore they use these euphemisms they say tough decisions they say reducing the deficit they say reducing the government sherif spending it's not fashionable to say the word austerity very uncomfortable with it so it's strategy not hugely coherent which is very important of cameron wants to regain this reputation is had in the past for huge compton's also did he address fears that the vulnerable will suffer most from the cuts and the economic strategy that he's proposing he...
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but i was reading an article about the score for the obama, the deficit going down. >> bill: yeah and they always try to take the good news and turn it into bad news. >> caller: i know it's crazy. but back to the debate peter. it was not the president's best night. and certainly he has bounced back from that. >> caller: he didn't have to do that bad -- not that i thought he did bad at all but it's just that it is a no-win situation. >> bill: yeah hold on just one second -- yeah. i want to grab something here. the other thing i have noticed now in the post debate season is more and more people are starting to look at what romney said and how it just doesn't add up. we have talked about that on the taxes. he said i never asked for $5 trillion in tax cuts, and he i'm going to take care of it by closing loop holes, and he has never said what it was except getting rid of bird big. he said i learned early on you have to sit down with democrats and republicans, and we worked all the time across the aisle. the "new york times" said they were fighting like cats and dogs when he was governor. a
but i was reading an article about the score for the obama, the deficit going down. >> bill: yeah and they always try to take the good news and turn it into bad news. >> caller: i know it's crazy. but back to the debate peter. it was not the president's best night. and certainly he has bounced back from that. >> caller: he didn't have to do that bad -- not that i thought he did bad at all but it's just that it is a no-win situation. >> bill: yeah hold on just one second...
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we have $1.1 trillion deficit and that was an improvement. >>neil: the argument is, it is chump change. but you add them up, it adds up. >>guest: i do watch pbs a lot, sometimes i listen to npr but people would listen to it and watch it and like the programming, they should pay if it. talk about children's programming. it used to be "sesame" was the only game in town, the most successful program in the history of tv. now this are hundreds of programs like "sesame street" on pay for profit television. my feeling is, if people like warren buffett and people like ted turner feel this is such an important programming, why shouldn't they pay for it? >>neil: the issue here, you know, is what we spending and where we cut back on spending. the argument the liberals give you, maybe we just charge more for what we are spending money on. that gets back to more government, less government, pay month for that government, pay less for that government, and that is the debate. >>guest: pbs is a good example. if it is as valuable as people say, the world woul
we have $1.1 trillion deficit and that was an improvement. >>neil: the argument is, it is chump change. but you add them up, it adds up. >>guest: i do watch pbs a lot, sometimes i listen to npr but people would listen to it and watch it and like the programming, they should pay if it. talk about children's programming. it used to be "sesame" was the only game in town, the most successful program in the history of tv. now this are hundreds of programs like "sesame...
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everything from leprosy to the deficit? >> i think that's his you view. >> so that was a fair interaction. >> one of the problems we have is sort of the jumpiness. andrew sullivan finds a poll, freaks out, and you kind of got to tell him to fall back, and i saw at least on buzz feed they originally ran with the big headline that ryan stormed out of this interview and then people said, well, he ended it early. you get caught up on those kerfuffles. it's a clear illustration of his view. i don't think he was out of line in the way he answered the question. he pointed only to charities to solve these problems. there's reames of research that shows local charities do great work but they cannot conquer the kind of issue that is were on the table there. >> i don't know, to that point, the specific elements of the ryan budget as voted through the house for the fiscal period up to 2013 actually would eviscerate pell grants, kill support of -- whas it called safe start -- head start, and all these provithss for people in low income
everything from leprosy to the deficit? >> i think that's his you view. >> so that was a fair interaction. >> one of the problems we have is sort of the jumpiness. andrew sullivan finds a poll, freaks out, and you kind of got to tell him to fall back, and i saw at least on buzz feed they originally ran with the big headline that ryan stormed out of this interview and then people said, well, he ended it early. you get caught up on those kerfuffles. it's a clear illustration of...
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if you just extended the bush tax cuts it would add a trillion dollars to our deficit. why? mcmitt romney is looking out for the rich speaking of which, how about the iraq war? mitt romney was in favor of it, the entire republican party. how much did that cost? is this estimates have it as high as $5 trillion. and you're talking to me about big bird? you're talking to me about big bird? $22 million you want to cut and your dumb ass war cost $5 trillion. your tax cuts for sheldon adelson cost $2 billion. i'm not having the conversation about big bird and cutting down his nest until we talk to the other guys first. on the essence of that, the obama campaign is right. >> when we come back, the republicans are so loathesome they've now got a lobby to make sure that we are not protected from cancer. >> we have 15 homes in this area and maybe 11 people have died or more with cancer. >> the koch brothers are killing me and my family. >> and how are they buying politicians to do it? you'll find out in the next segment. and then, the romney girls. they found women in favor of romney.
if you just extended the bush tax cuts it would add a trillion dollars to our deficit. why? mcmitt romney is looking out for the rich speaking of which, how about the iraq war? mitt romney was in favor of it, the entire republican party. how much did that cost? is this estimates have it as high as $5 trillion. and you're talking to me about big bird? you're talking to me about big bird? $22 million you want to cut and your dumb ass war cost $5 trillion. your tax cuts for sheldon adelson cost $2...
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talked about a plan that governor romney has that would in their estimation, lead to a $5 trillion deficit, they are citing outside besides for that number. and romney says it will be compensated for by loopholes. how he will justify the cuts? where will those revenue sources be made up? >> even stephanie cutter admitted it is not a $5 trillion tax cut. we have a 20% tax cut across the board, no matter what income level you fall into. but for those people at the higher levels of income, what governor rom no is proposing is closing loopholes and dedux for those individuals that will ultimately make the entire budget revenue neutral. >> shannon: when will we find out what they are? >> when a budget is put together, when the budget committee puts forward a budget, they don't put forward a budget with every loophole and deduction and every single -- they have a couple of numbers, they say here's the top number, here's the bottom number. you go to the ways & means committee and i sit down with a burch of people and i figure out how to get a tax cut across the board and close the loopholes so th
talked about a plan that governor romney has that would in their estimation, lead to a $5 trillion deficit, they are citing outside besides for that number. and romney says it will be compensated for by loopholes. how he will justify the cuts? where will those revenue sources be made up? >> even stephanie cutter admitted it is not a $5 trillion tax cut. we have a 20% tax cut across the board, no matter what income level you fall into. but for those people at the higher levels of income,...